tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post111940749033512617..comments2023-07-25T10:52:13.925-05:00Comments on Because I said so: Am I a Firestarter?!?Chris Meirosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05717903860701408008noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119818687037212362005-06-26T15:44:00.000-05:002005-06-26T15:44:00.000-05:00I was recently introduced to this issue by my (now...I was recently introduced to this issue by my (now ex)girlfriend who goes to Bethel. It pushed me to read "Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" and I have to say I was saddened by what great lengths egalitarians go to try to make their views line up with Scripture. It's sad that they can't see how much more God-glorifying and woman-honoring complementarianism is.<BR/><BR/>By the way, what church do you go to? (if you don't mind saying)Micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086410906183007879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119762778295076682005-06-26T00:12:00.000-05:002005-06-26T00:12:00.000-05:00-Mark G-Also I didn't think it was rude, it was po...-Mark G-<BR/>Also I didn't think it was rude, it was pointing out something that needed to be addressed. I don't know if I addressed it to your satisfaction, but I appreciate your grace, and value your thoughts if they don't jive with mine.Chris Meirosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717903860701408008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119762622981130392005-06-26T00:10:00.000-05:002005-06-26T00:10:00.000-05:00Grudem's book has been very challening for me. I ...Grudem's book has been very challening for me. I saw Dr. Grudem present on the subject at hand, and have spent quite a bit of time thinking on this and talking with people on this over the past 18 months. The more I learn, the more I learn that my former beliefs had little to do with scripture. Hard for me to admit I was wrong, but I was. I keep reading in this area, and talking with people, and it keeps challenging things I didn't realize were tied into the subject of complimentarianism. My finacee and I have also been working through this together at times, as we are in different places with it. In some areas she is advanced beyond me in understanding, and then in other area she's not. I am being formed by God, and that process is rarely comfortable I guess.Chris Meirosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717903860701408008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119547458051413042005-06-23T12:24:00.000-05:002005-06-23T12:24:00.000-05:00Chris,Well that's good, I feel like I'm treading w...Chris,<BR/><BR/>Well that's good, I feel like I'm treading water here half the time. :)<BR/><BR/>I'm in the same boat with not being in any kind of authority position either, so scripture is my best source as well. :)Frank Martenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962831912421867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119546872921544062005-06-23T12:14:00.000-05:002005-06-23T12:14:00.000-05:00Thanks for reading Frank! I don't expect our disc...Thanks for reading Frank! I don't expect our discussion to get heated at any point. Our children's minister isn't that type of person, and our Sr. Pastor and I have a relationship that would keep it from getting to that point. I think we can be open about it, if they are willing to talk about it that is. Because I am not in the authority position, I cannot excercise much influence, but I can keep going back to Scripture.Chris Meirosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717903860701408008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119545890652197992005-06-23T11:58:00.000-05:002005-06-23T11:58:00.000-05:00Chris,Sounds like you've got a case of my church g...Chris,<BR/><BR/>Sounds like you've got a case of <A HREF="http://www.pantanochristian.org" REL="nofollow">my church</A> goin on there :), however our church has gone as far to call the children's director (who's a woman) the Children's Pastor (fantastic isn't it?).<BR/><BR/>Anyway, our senior pastor doesn't agree with Piper or MacArthur on any of these issues ethier, and if you try to show him the passage in Timothy. Well, he skims right over the "teaching and authority" part and goes to that verse about "...there is neither jew, nor greek, male, nor female..." and argues his point.<BR/><BR/>Out of Control to say the least :)<BR/><BR/>Don't be afraid to stand my friend, even though I've gotten into heated discussions with people I still stand.<BR/><BR/>Have a great week!Frank Martenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962831912421867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657772.post-1119502646133638572005-06-22T23:57:00.000-05:002005-06-22T23:57:00.000-05:00Mark, I'm open to being wrong, but I have searched...Mark, I'm open to being wrong, but I have searched the Scriptures long, deep and hard on this one, and you'll have to convince me from scripture not culture to change my views. I grew up in a church whose Sr. Pastor was a woman. Their current Sr. Pastor is a woman. I've seen successful ministry by women up close, but that does not mean that I think it is the way God intended as is laid out in Scripture. So I think I can have a genuine dialog, I've seen it from both sides. I've only come to the complimentarian side of the equation in the past few years. I spent 10 years somewhere in the middle. Get a copy of Grudem's book, and get back to me.Chris Meirosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717903860701408008noreply@blogger.com